Monday, May 3, 2010

Joy Luck Club

Post two key lines from your reading. Explain why you chose them.

Respond to at least one other person's posting.

14 comments:

HANNAH said...

Hi, So Avi and I are in a different CHINA group... BALZAC AND THE LITTLE CHINESE SEAMSTRESS.

[1]

"Right now, ignorance is in fashion" (81)

This quotation, to me, stuck out the most. I totally agree with the narrator's statement above. It shows how people become too scared to go "against" such a powerful government and just end up hiding in ignorance. It is easier to be a bystander, not doing anything at all, that it is to go out and make a difference.


[2]
"With these books I shall transform the Little Seamstress. She’ll never be a simple mountain girl again." (100)

I thought this quotation to be very important because through out my reading there has been this big struggle between wanting know more and knowing one's place. The narrator who is given no name, seems to always want to spread knowledge which is pretty much the opposite goal of the entire "re-education" process. I see this as him using a punishment given out by the government to his advantage. This must be a very important part in the book because it seems as though one person is about to go against society. Also I predict that the LCS will be a dynamic character further into the book.

love,
Hannah Leikin

Lily said...

Jing-Mei Woo- “There’s a school of thought…that parents shouldn’t criticize children. They should encourage instead. You know, people rise to other people’s expectations. And when you criticize, it just means you are expecting failure” (20).

This brings up a common theme so far in The Joy Luck Club. Expectations are made from the first page when there is the idea of a swan and how the woman’s daughter will be as she expects. There are so many expectations made for coming to America that all the expectations are not going to be made, therefore, letting failure occur. I think that this saying could go the other way. If you criticize someone, they will be scared into rising to expectations. When immigrated, the Chinese try to adapt the names and somewhat part of the culture of the American to try and fit in. They always feel as though they must prove themselves. This also lies within the category of expectations because they feel as though they must exceed expectations to be worthy in this country.

“I wished to be found” (83).

Now encountered with this new country, Ying-Ying St. Clair doesn’t feel as though she is noticed. She is lost in the shuffle. Through the moon lady, she is able to cast a secret wish that no one except the moon lady and her will know about. This way if the expectations are not met, no one will know and the failure is less embarrassing. Everyone seems to want to have an impact and do well in the world by being known by many people. Ying-Ying wants to find herself, and know who she is and then be able to succeed.

Anonymous said...

The Joy Luck Club--Amy Tan
1)
"Huang Taitai hurried me upstairs to the second floor and into the kitchen, which was a place where family children didn't usually go. This was a place for cooks and servants. So I knew my standing" (55).

Lindo Jong is thrown into a foreign world form what she is used to as she is forced to depart from her family and move in with her pre-ordained husband's family due to the destruction of her house. She arrives at the Taitai's house with the realization that she is not a daughter of theirs but a servant/worker. Lindo must wrap her head around the fact that she is no longer a priority but is lucky to just receive shelter in the Taitai's house, by no means receive kindness or compassion. I predict this idea of Lindo being inferior/women as a whole being treated as lesser than men and respectable elders to be a common theme throughout the journey of Lindo Jong and the rest of the Joy Luck Club women.

2)
"Later that night after Amah, Baba, Uncle, and the others shouted for me along the waterway--I never believed my family found the same girl" (82).

Ying-Ying St. Clair begins the story as a naive, spoiled, and privileged young girl in China; however, this excerpt shows that she is a changed girl from the early stages of the chapter. The whole entire process of falling in the water, almost drowning, getting lost, discovering the world outside of being privileged, and realizing the fathom of the Moon Lady makes Ying-Ying lose her innocence. Before, she was isolated from common society living a privileged life and feeling indestructible but as she abruptly discovers that life is a valuable thing, she comes to terms with the violent world outside of her secluded lifestyle (particularly when she is picked up by the working class folk from water). Finally, Ying-Ying is a changed girl when she sees that the Moon Woman is actually someone (a man) dressed up as a fictional character; she comes to terms with disappointment that her wish will never truly be answered by the Moon Woman and that it was all a show. This is similar to when people realize that there is no tooth fairy or Santa Clause; they mature abruptly once they have gotten over the initial shock. She has grown from a girl to a woman in all but a few hours. Ying-Ying claims to be a different/changed individual after she is recovered by her family because the traumatic events that she endured prior to being "rescued" by her family changed her view of the world and of life.

Anonymous said...

COMMENT ON LILY'S JOURNAL #2

I agree with her interpretation on this quotation and think that Ying-Ying wants to find her niche in society; she wants to find the place where she feels comfortable and at peace with herself. When it comes down to it, Ying-Ying just wants to fit in and uncover what has been hidden within her throughout her whole childhood.

Helena said...

"But to despair was to wish back for something already lost. Or to prolong what was already unbearable." (24)

I know this quotation is from the beginning of the book, but it really stuck out to me. Here, Amy Tan touched on something that I believe to be incredibly true. Why wallow and sulk over something that you no longer have, or cannot have? There is no use. You won't get it back, or you'll never get it, so focus on what you do have. It's a slightly depressing thought, but it's true.



"I made a promise to myself: I would always remember my parents' wishes, but I would never forget myself." (58)

This seems to be a recurring theme. Jing-Mei Woo is fighting to both be accepted by her family, yet still keep herself on track and follow what she wants to do and who she wants to be. She's struggling to mesh the American world with the Chinese world. This is a struggle I think everyone deals with - wanting to live up to your parents' and family's expectations, yet also needed to fulfill yourself in your own way.

Helena said...

This brings up a common theme so far in The Joy Luck Club. Expectations are made from the first page when there is the idea of a swan and how the woman’s daughter will be as she expects. There are so many expectations made for coming to America that all the expectations are not going to be made, therefore, letting failure occur. I think that this saying could go the other way. If you criticize someone, they will be scared into rising to expectations. When immigrated, the Chinese try to adapt the names and somewhat part of the culture of the American to try and fit in. They always feel as though they must prove themselves. This also lies within the category of expectations because they feel as though they must exceed expectations to be worthy in this country. "
-LILY


I agree with your analysis of the quotation. If you build up such intense expectations, then it will almost be impossible to succeed. What her mother did with Jing-Mei Woo was just this. She set the bar incredibly high, basically setting her daughter up for failure, whether it be intentionally or not.

Unknown said...

"I missed my family and my stomach felt bad... But I was also determined to honor my parents' words" (55).

This quotation displays one of the most prominent social differences between American and Chinese (actually, not just Chinese but many oriental Asian cultures) culture. The respect that Chinese youths have for their elders is remarkable. A lot of it probably stems from the concept of "filial piety." Regardless, the fact that Lindo Jong lived in a house that she was blatantly so uncomfortable in just to please her parents and make them look good is a notable fact that would be rare in the United States.

"'A boy can run and chase dragonflies, because that is his nature,' she said. 'But a girl should stand still. if you are still for a very long time, a dragonfly will no longer see you. Then it will come to you and hide in the comfort of your shadow'" (72).

This quotation intrigues me but I don't think I understand it. What message is her mother trying to give? That boys are more boisterous and daring? That girls should be modest and are nothing but a motherly figure? I can't really tell if she is praising girls, or just saying that they don't have the right to be as lively as boys.

-Allie Haber

Unknown said...

Ah! Sorry my post commented under the name of the show I'm stage managing because that's the email I used!
Anyways, here is my comment on Helena's:

"But to despair was to wish back for something already lost. Or to prolong what was already unbearable." (24)

I know this quotation is from the beginning of the book, but it really stuck out to me. Here, Amy Tan touched on something that I believe to be incredibly true. Why wallow and sulk over something that you no longer have, or cannot have? There is no use. You won't get it back, or you'll never get it, so focus on what you do have. It's a slightly depressing thought, but it's true.

-- This really is the sad truth. Despair is sort of like worrying, it feels good but it doesn't actually make a difference. While it is a coping mechanism, nothing actually changes. One can cry for hours over their dead family member, but their family member is still dead. However, it is a healthy way to comfort.

-Allie Haber

HANNAH said...

Hi! Okay, so no one really did a journal I guess..awkward. Here goes:

"I looked around for her friend, and saw him sitting naked on the shore, eyes closed, lolling against a rock. The secret part of his body was shrunken and sleeping." (137)

This entire excerpt from the novel really confused me. Sijie usually writes very clearly and realistically but all of a sudden he breaks into this story of a girl in her loin cloth turning into a swollow! The story ends with the narrator looking for the naked and I guess friend of the girl. I think this entire portion represents the process of discovery that the narrator goes through and how he finally comes to terms with himself just changing. This kind of reminds me of this story we read in 8th grade called Omelas and how the happiness of this entire nation depended on the suffering of a child. The child had to be naked, vulneralble, and emotionally static. I guess this just reminded me of the girl in the loin clothe's friend.

Avi said...

This is for Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress

1. "When we reached the surface I saw my key ring between her lips, glistening with beads of water."(141)

I chose this quotation because it shows the effects that the books have had on the seamstress. She is now the only one with hope for the re-education to end. Even though she has never been outside the Phoenix in the Sky, books have taught her how rich life can be. She dives after the keys because she sees that one day they will open a path for a better life for her.

2. "The Little was not aware that she was under surveillance-- to her I was just a substitute teacher."

I think that this quote foreshadows the seamstress leaving Luo. She thinks of the narrator simply as a substitute teacher for Luo, implying that she only ever thought of Luo as a teacher. She simply wants to absorb as much of the outside world from Luo as she can before she tries to make a life for herself outside of the stories he reads her.
From, Avi

Avi said...

Hanah-- In this section of the story, it is not the regular narrator but the old miler and the girls is the seamstress. I think the Omelas thing is interesting. In this case, however, I think that the kid's happiness depends on their nakedness. They are weighed down by the burden of the revolution except when their at this pond.

HANNAH said...

[1]

"My passion for Jean-Christophe was so great that, for the first time in my life, I wanted something to be my very own rather than a possession I shared with Luo." (111)

This really made me thinking about the who process of "coming into one's own". So basically our friend, the little chinese seamstress, is kinda going along with whatever; she's subservient to some extent to Luo and isn't very "educated"-but here she is now, coming into her own! Infatuation is always said to be a selfish and I never really understood why until I read THIS book. Love is a partnership, as shown with Luo and the LCS, but infatuation is when one can look, pine over, and be involved from a distance.


"Neither the privilege of attending the party conference nor his month of high life in town seemed to have given our headman much satisfaction." (119)

Life in the big cities usually thrive off of the quotidian. Things like labels, accessories, social settings, seem to matter too much. Luo and the narrator clearly thought that if and only if the headman of the village was exposed to all of the hustle and bustle of the city then he would want to change his ways and become "cultured". Well that wasn't the case and they were astonished! I wonder this as well, how can someone be exposed to the high life and not love it? Those who do not love of it, I believe, are above it all. They just don't let themselves be bothered by what we call perks.


ALSO: Avi, your quotation and my quotation go hand in hand. She is totally going to leave Luo and enjoy doing it. I think that she wants to announce her independence to a certain extent, and feel things not only for herself but by herself as well.

Anonymous said...

1) "I was crying for joy with them, because I had been wrong" (115)

This quotation comes from Lena St. Clair and expresses her relief and joy that her initial thoughts of what was occurring next door were wrong. She had believed for nights prior that her next door neighbor was slowly being beaten to death; however, I personally believe that she morphed what had always been joyful exclamations into a depressing story. I think this because around the St. Clair house, there had been an ominous/depressing aura due to Lena's mother becoming senile, and Lena needed to know that another person was suffering as much or more than her own family was.

2)"When something that violent hits you, you can't help but lose your balance and fall" (121).

This excerpt comes from the character Rose Hsu Jordan. Its message metaphorical context to her divorce as well as to the whole story. The women in The Joy Luck Club go through emotional highs and lows which shape their futures. This message tells that one will go through highs and lows in which they fall but it implies that in order to live, you must rebound.

HANNAH said...

Hi! I'm sick so I guess I'm going with a slightly different schedule...

DONALD DUK

[1]
"Donald Duk hates his name. He is not a duck. He is not a cartoon character" (1).

I love the opening of this book. Immediately, I know where this is all going and the essential tone. I also love the beginning because I can relate. When I was twelve I wanted everyone to call me Kimberly: I had bad taste. I wanted to be Kimberly because in all honestly it sounded less Jewish. Donald Duk doesn't want to be a cartoon character or chinese because he thinks that they are the only nationality that could make such a "mistake" in naming their child. I disagree, I think it's funny that his name is Donald Duk.



[2]

"I think Donald Duk may be the very last American-born Chinese-American boy to believe you have to give up being Chinese to be an American" (42).

Donald's father says this to Donald's mother with a rather glum expression. In all honesty, I think Donald is being completely narrow minded! He sort of thinks that his parents are narrow minded for wanting to only watch Chinese people on t.v. but he is far beyond them in that respect. He is too clouded to realize that a person who wants to grow and know more must learn from many cultures! He is literally giving away the gift of knowledge by wanting to walk away from his roots.



RESPONSE: I don't see another post from Donald Duk but in terms of the Joy Luck Club, I really like Aaron's choice of quotation in his latest post. I remember when I read this book last year, that line stuck out to me the most. I live my life by it. I think that it's okay to lose your balance and mess up once in a while. What's not okay is to think you can't ever make a mistake.